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Series: 5 lessons I learned from boondocking: Part 5 of 5

Five lessons I learned from boondocking cover, with picture of RV camped in front of mountains and the RV by Campfire logo.Lesson 5: If the water looks iffy…

Campgrounds with one water source

While at the campground where the buffaloes roam and tent campers hate boondocking motorhomes, there was also one water source. For everyone.

The first inconvenience this creates is that you have to move your RV to go get water when you needed. This is the fresh water that you use for showers and washing dishes, but also potentially drink.

Buffalo eating grass
While we wanted to camp where the buffalo roam, it didn’t mean we wanted to drink questionable water. Photo credit: Christina Goebel, rvbycampfire.com

When we pulled up to the water hose at this campground, it was a hose hanging in the air, that you pulled down to fill your water tank.

The first thing I thought when I saw it was . . . gee, that looks like something someone might try to flush out their black water tank with if it’s not dumping well. It just looked really convenient for that purpose.

When you travel with your own hoses on board, I hope you’re planning to have one for clean water and a Different One, preferably in a Different Color, for the dirty water.

Man stands on a water hose in the street.
Since Dad’s already standing on it, let’s just call this one the Dirty Water Hose. photo credit: Jebensstraße via photopin (license)

Here was this hose that everyone in the campground was using for their RVs. If they didn’t think anyone was looking, who knows what they did with that hose?

Woman holds water hose with thumb over water.
Is this water hose clean? Who knows? photo credit: Summer evening via photopin (license)

Before you think I’m worrying too much, I’ve seen plenty of people handle their black water hose without using any gloves. That’s handling waste water with some of the worst germs you can touch.

I guess then they get back inside and put their hands on the door, the steering wheel, pat the baby’s head…

So, another tip–handling waste water or dirty hoses should be done with disposable gloves. Many people keep those in the same compartment with their hoses, so they’re right there when they need them.

Now that I’ve taught you how to avoid wiping out your entire family with lethal germs, back to wondering what the previous RVer at this this community water hose did right before filling up their tank with hopefully clean water.

This campground wasn’t in West Yellowstone, where finding a dump site is like playing the lotto. In fact, the dump site at this campground was right down the road from . . . the clean water.

Carrying antibacterial wipes and cleaning hoses can assist a bit with safety concerns over water, but I felt uncomfortable because this water hose was under high use.

So I took a turn at being an evil, generator-using troll, ran all over town looking for someone willing to take our poo, worried if someone else’s poo was going in our clean water tank, but you know what? I paid half price.

Pciture of an blue troll with fangs, raising a club
This is how we looked to the tent campers who camped next to us when we used our generator. photo credit: Evil Spirits via photopin (license)

Will we do this boondocking thing again? Will we even camp in the middle of nowhere with nothing, anywhere? Probably, but with a little more planning.

Consider the savings. If you are so lucky as to camp somewhere that costs $25 a day and you boondock at half prices without electric or a dump site, that could save a lot over time.

Boondocking at Wal-Mart for free saves people hundreds a year. However, not all Wal-Marts permit boondocking because other RVers convinced them it was a good idea.

If you boondock at Wal-Mart or another public parking lot that permits it, observe boondocking ettiquette. Don’t pull out the slides, roll out your outdoor carpet, chairs, and the grill, hang your laundry out to dry, and expect their employees to pick up your trash. Try not to draw attention to the free campsite you’re getting, and thank them by buying something at their store.

Picture of an empty parking lot with some shopping carts. May be a Wal-Mart parking lot.
Yes, you could camp here, but better make sure it’s okay. Nothing worse to be asked to vacate in the middle of the night. photo credit: Cart Return via photopin (license)

Here’s a Wal-Mart locator link to determine if the location you want to camp at permits RV overnight parking.

RVing presents challenges. Adventures aren’t easy and that’s why they’re memorable. If you have a rough time, just think: one day I will laugh over this–or learn from it. And you will have an adventure, no matter what!


Series: 5 Lessons I learned from boondocking: Part 2 of 5

RV boondocking or dry campingLesson 2: Not using electricity can make you tent camper Enemy #1

Using a Generator next to tent campers; or how we became evil trolls to tent campers

Zoom in of view of a lake surrounded by mountains with with some snow on their peaks.
We camped at the edge of St. Mary, Montana. Generator use is limited in nearby campgrounds, causing a multitude of issues. Animated gif credit: Christina Goebel. If reused, please credit me and my website, rvbycampfire.com

I need to share my lessons so you don’t go through the hassles I went through, but also for you to know if boondocking is for you. I think you can handle it, if you know what to expect!

In Montana, we were dry camping with the RV, and since we didn’t have electricity at our site, we used our generator to produce power.

Our motorhome’s Onan generator, supposedly a great brand, is Not Quiet. It operates on gasoline and has a smell, like many things that operate on gasoline, such as your lawnmower, maybe.

Though generators can be quieter when they’re regularly used, I learned that , yeah, it’s never gonna be quiet.

I surmised that tent campers hated the smell and the noise at our campground in St. Mary, Montana, near the east side of Glacier National Park.

After a while, we realized that to cool the RV into the mid 60’s that we like to sleep at, and to charge our batteries sufficiently for the evenings without generator use, we had to leave camp.

People who have allergies can't just open the windows to cool down the RV. They have to be creative! photo credit: The Continuing Saga of Kitteh Comics: But I'm An Indoor Allergy! via photopin (license)
People who have allergies can’t just open the windows to cool down the RV. They have to be creative! photo credit: The Continuing Saga of Kitteh Comics: But I’m An Indoor Allergy! via photopin (license)

I can’t open all the windows in the RV and let in the cooler air because I’m allergic to a lot of trees, grass, and maybe just plain air. That ‘s why I travel with air purifiers, which we only had enough power to run during generator-use time.

Took us a few days to learn we could go to the nearest visitor center parking lot and let our generator run and charge our batteries as long as we needed.

Before we did that, sometimes we’d wake in the morning and the coach batteries were dead. My husband Gerald tried using the battery boost button, but it didn’t work well.

Every device plugged into the RV keeps the generator from recharging the coach batteries faster. photo credit: iPhone 3G won't charge anymore via photopin (license)
Every device plugged into the RV keeps the generator from recharging the coach batteries faster. photo credit: iPhone 3G won’t charge anymore via photopin (license)

He realized he could use our jumper cables to jump start the coach batteries, which are housed under our steps.

We weren’t doing this from car to car, but from battery to battery, an advantage to having more than one 12-volt battery. Yep, memorable  tip.

I now believe that the only people who truly understand RVs from the moment of their first purchase are: mechanics, engineers, truckers, and people who grew up RVing. Engineers practically skip around RV parks, so happy and at ease with all the modifications they can make to their home machine, while watching non-engineers
curse at their RVs at random intervals.

At first, we parked at a hotel parking lot most evenings to run our generator more time. It took until 11 p.m. or midnight to cool the RV like we liked it.

Here we come rolling in to camp at midnight, and tent campers are next to us.

Poor them, but it wasn’t our fault the National Park Service decided they could make more money having all campsites open to whoever books, which results in campers surrounded by RVs running generators. This causes discomfort all the way around.

Tents pitched in front of mountains.
The last thing these campers want is an RV or two next to them, using loud generators that have fumes. I agree. Campgrounds should have sections for tents and RVs, not mix them together. photo credit: Tent Pad via photopin (license)

This isn’t a good idea. Generators can put off carbon monoxide and they make noise. We could start using our generator at 8 a.m., so if they weren’t up already, they would be if they were noise-sensitive.

Worse, a generator puts off gas fumes and it depends on the direction it flows as to the effect. RVs should be equipped with carbon monoxide detectors, and ours it, but tents aren’t, so they have no way of knowing if they’re in danger.

While campsites aren’t cramped in the East Glacier area—we stayed around St. Mary’s—there is potential for the fumes to travel.

Best-case scenario is that tent campers have their own area, RVs with electricity another (paying more), and RVs using generators in another.

But, it was not to be, and one evening at 11:30 p.m. or midnight when we drove into our campsite, a tent camper accosted us.

As soon as we parked, Bam! Bam! Bam! Someone pounded on our RV door.

We hadn’t had a chance to level the RV (this is for the refrigerator to function properly, but also can affect your sleeping comfort because jacks stabilize the RV and keep it from swaying while you sleep).

My husband opened the door.

We woke them up, she said, could we turn off the engine?!

She’s so lucky my husband opened the door because I realized we had rights too, and one of those was that—as adults—we could come and go as we please.

Let no adult put another on curfew unless it’s in the event of crisis.

Thus, we became the hated RV motorhome campers that dared enter camp late at night and awaken them.

Guess we should have asked their permission?

We would have more challenges ahead, when we had to babysit our generator!

Series: 5 Lessons I learned about boondocking: Part 1 of 5

Fiery sunset in the sky and reflected on water.
This portion of St. Mary, MT was right next to two area campgrounds where we boondocked, or dry camped with our RV.

RV boondocking or dry campingDo you know what boondocking is? Did you realize you can camp without being connected to electricity? This way of camping could save you money. Learn from my lessons so you get more enjoyment out of boondocking than I did.

While you may be an experienced RVer, boondocking throws us all for a loop now and then, so I hope every RVer can get something out of this.

According to RV bloggers the Wynns, boondocking is “camping or RV’ing without any hook ups (water, electric or sewer).”

So, here we were in Montana on the outskirts of Glacier National Park, and we also tried this experiment in West Yellowstone.

Campsites were cheaper if you went without electricity, dumping, and water. What awesome locations to explore boondocking, but…

So how did these factors affect us?

Picture of RV parking space with glaccier mountains in the distance.
St. Mary Campground, St. Mary, MT: For this view of Glacier National Park, we didn’t get to use our generator as long we needed to recharge our coach batteries. This caused problems.

Lesson 1. Not being allowed to use your generator as long as you need sucks

Limited Generator Use

When you aren’t connected to electricity, your RV uses a combination of its batteries and your generator.

We also have some solar power that trickle charges our batteries with the sun. At first my husband thought the trickle charge solar was crap. Since then, he’s changed his mind. It keeps the coach batteries from draining out completely.

I want to use newbie-friendly language, so the vehicle part of the RV is called the chassis (pronounced chass ee) and uses one battery, like a car.

The back part of our motorhome, called the coach, has two more of these 12-volt batteries that help run some systems. (When you’re looking into buying an RV, having more than one of these batteries in an out-of-the-way space for it would be a good thing. Ours are under our indoor steps, out of the way.)

Your 12-volt batteries power the light systems among other things and have to be recharged by the generator running and maybe a little bit by a solar charger, if you have one (worth having).

12-volt batteries are charged best by electricity. Since we’re talking about boondocking, that means no electricity, and using the generator, 12-volt batteries, and maybe solar.

One campground we were at limited generator use to a few hours, three times a day. This is the height of suckiness.

A generator takes hours, sometimes a whole day to fully charge your batteries, something that was never going to happen at the campground we were at with limited hours.

During the limited hours we could run our generator, we ran it.

Almost every night, at exactly 7:00 p.m., a ranger would knock loudly on our door and tell us generator use time was over. Maybe we were close to their office, but it was irritating.

Having been RVing full-time around the country for around 8 months, we’d had almost no one knock on our door—at least with bad news—so it was something new and yucky.

We ran the generator to the minute because it charged our batteries, which enabled us to have lights at night and watch some TV before bed.

Every morning, because of the various things that draw from the 12-volt batteries, their charge was gone.

My husband adds that since we used the generator to run the air conditioning because even in Montana during the day it was in the 80’s, that took away from the generator’s ability to charge our 12-volt batteries.

We didn’t get to run the generator long enough to give them juice. We knew this in our motorhome because we have a panel that lets us know how charged our batteries are.

The generator powers much more than our batteries, so we ran our air conditioning during the 6 hours a day we were permitted to use it.

In Montana, July days approached 80+ degrees, and sometimes the RV would get as hot or hotter inside than outside. It retained heat well after the evening cooled.

This problem was worse when we camped next to tent campers